Recoil has a direct effect on most shooter's accuracy--the more recoil, as a general rule, the less accurate the shooter. For these reasons, none of these cartridges seriously challenges the popularity of the .338 Win. Its got class, panache, and performance in spades, and is actually the oldest veteran in this group. velocities, and they had a much lower ballistic coefficient than desired. Their superior sectional densities combined with high velocity and bullet weight anchor these killer bears like few other cartridges. Nonetheless, their performance captured the attention of major manufacturers. If the .338 Win. The .338 Win. Mag. O.K.H. 0000003044 00000 n This beast provides more initial velocity than any of the previous cartridges discussed, and has proven to be an outstanding elk cartridge. . .416 Dakota, 6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser, .257 Roberts, .32 Winchester Special, .25-35 Winchester, 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum, .300 Dakota, .270 Winchester, .240 Weatherby Magnum, .35 Whelen, .338 Lapua Magnum, .264 Winchester Magnum, .300 Remington Ultra Magnum, .308 Winchester (7.62mm NATO), .416 Weatherby Magnum. Either a long-range bullet fired up close, or a close-range one used too far away can cause ineffective wounds and result in lost game. The lightest load carries over a ton of energy at 300 yards and the heaviest over a half ton more. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Anyone have a similar gun already in 33 Nosler? Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Ut SM%>IH;q2X$? :\(L~` N The .330 Dakota is in the proprietary cartridge class and was designed by Don Allen. 0000003979 00000 n eO_wk^./Jbkb9/LEx.v4;VjUkSM~TOeIV3 I would be interested in a 33 Nosler. has many outdated design characteristics, starting with the entirely unnecessary belt and including its quite-short neck, which (in theory more than practice) provides a marginal grip on the bullet and can potentially allow concentricity inconsistencies. For long range . Dakota speaks of its 300 Dakota as its "most popular" on the basis of capacity, bullet availability, and accuracy. Proprietary rounds are trademarked by private individuals or corporations, and the cartridges are harder to find on the commercial market. We used Dakota 330 brass and the Federal 215 primers throughout all our tests. The 33 Nosler is capable of propelling a 225gr AccuBond at 3025 fps and the brand new 265gr AccuBond Long Range at 2775 fps. 0000030811 00000 n 0000047641 00000 n Although, even the least powerful here (.338 Win. Muzzle velocities are the nominal industry standard for the tested bullet weight in each caliber. With the best magnum performance in a standard action, the 30 Nosler was introduced as a more evolved cartridge option. It too requires a magnum-length action. Mag, the softest here, slaps the shooter as hard as a .375 H&H Magnum, while the .338-378 and .338 Lapua are close to .416 Rigby territory. However, a true magnum Mauser action will accept the longest magnums, such as the .416 Rigby which is 3.75 inches long. W. wasskeet Well-Known Member. That's 275 fps faster than the 338 Win Mag using the same length action and 25 fps faster than the 338 Lapua at the muzzle while burning 18% less powder. 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. BC quantifies a bullets aerodynamic efficiency, and SD predicts relative ability to penetrate into a game animal; the larger each number, the better. First, it tends to be finicky to feed, because short fat cartridges must tilt up from the magazine and transition into the chamber at much more abrupt angles than longer cartridges. We installed a Leupold 2.5 8 X scope in Leupold rings and Dakota bases. 0000039647 00000 n The classic-style, synthetic stock (a proprietary blend of Kevlar and other lightweight synthetic materials) features aluminum pillars and is Marine Tex bedded. Thanks. While 225-grain projectiles have become the more popular in recent years, the 250- and 300-grain bullets are ideal for large animals such as elk, moose, and the big bearsif one can tolerate the recoil. 0000003981 00000 n The Model 48 and .33 Nosler proved an accurate combination, with several three-shot groups hovering under .5-inch. The ballistic performances based off two .330 Dakota rounds for velocity are 3,200 The newest .338 magnum, the 33 Nosler arrived on the market in 2016. Starting with MPBR, across the four bullet weights the .338 WM gets an average MPBR (+/- 3 inches from line of sight) of 284 yards. Using preproduction ammunition, muzzle velocity averaged 3,099 fps from the 26-inch barrel of the Nosler Model 48 Patriot rifle. 0000005294 00000 n vD $$ b1qT \]hsFz..NEI:IC*(pR\}H-$OAp54hejl#-a-DZW6.c-(!LV#HK >4'C}OLEGof8K}m:Zjf7KNh!yk *W3Gd_c> r>4+R3''Anxv 7VFXuNe|woz'*avsT]@R#eaL|o-H+ek%]B4esJ%le|6 .dH%ZoHpC!MjuDqp-vQD? The trend has been that the more potent versions are those gaining in popularity. Beginning in the 1930s, experimenters Charlie ONeil, Elmer Keith and Don Hopkins began designing .33-caliber wildcat cartridges and building rifles. 0000004205 00000 n The .333 O.K.H. in the .338 Win. If the minimum energy range exceeds the minimum expansion range, the minimum expansion range becomes the maximum effective range since unexpanded bullets are much less effective regardless of how much energy they possess. Short Belted and .334 O.K.H. E1?ty XxAXV,n?VXd;=d;= VVNtFmyJjFX90]_I{=sxXmR:@Ou,B"Q1lVR$O8 Q%J5Lv:>_;?f/Y#pKk/^&q"LJD5j@ QI(kWv,d y" The .33 Nosler, the largest of the group, gives hunters significantly-increased velocities over the .338 Win. Across the four bullet weights, the average powder charge used to get top MV in each cartridge is: Another way of understanding the additional powder needed to get increased MV is to list the additional powder to additional velocity percentages of each of the super magnums, relative to the .338 Win. It scored just behind the .340 Weatherby and has the least recoil among the cartridges tested. (Most factory ammo for the .338 WM sells for $2 to $3 per round, with a wide choice of brands and bullet weights available.). All groups are 3 shots at 100 yards, and all bullets were molly coated except the Winchester Fail safes which were coated from the factory. The trajectory of that load looks like this: +2.6" at 100 yards, +2.9" at 150 yards, +1.9" at 200 yards, -0.5" at 250 yards, and -4.6" at 300 yards. (.338 Lapua) and 3053 ft. lbs. The crosshairs are illuminated for low-light shooting, while the click finger adjustments are 14 MOA. Now this one is interesting. The .330 Dakota uses .338 diameter bullets and is based off the .404 Jeffery design. What we need to know without fluff mucking up the targets. Looking for some Barnes tsx Load data for the 330 Dakota if anyone has any. The PRCs solitary advantage is its longer head height and throat, which play nicer with extremely long, high-BC bullets. The muzzle blast of the .338-378 is also much greater, although I have no way of quantifying that. This article is about the .330 Dakota. One point for each ft-lbsf recoil less than 15, and one point deducted for every ft-lbsf greater than 15. 250 gr. These cartridges are steps up in power (muzzle velocity and muzzle energy for given bullet weights) from the .338 Win. AccuBond at 2941 fps. .b," |X285X?=pnhmgx>a%LNld02!|AAi F n/Xp&:8n`cPbHa_ysFJa`Q. The .340 is Roy Weatherbys answer to the .338 Win. Why 33 Nosler vs . 0000047478 00000 n Answer: Yes, if your loads used the same bullets at the same velocity as those in the article. Comparatively, the numbers for the other cartridges are 38.3 f.p.s. 0000051121 00000 n Note the shoulder datum differences between the .26 and .28 compared to the .30 and .33. 0000011972 00000 n Its not efficient at all, meaning it burns copious quantities of propellant. (.338 Win. At the top end, the .338-378 Weatherby drives these four bullet weights from its 28 inch barrel about 250, 300, 400 and 300 f.p.s. 0000048455 00000 n Today, I have to give that nod to the .300 PRC. 0000084352 00000 n LRH Supporter. Plus, it kicks like a demoniac mule, and requires a full-magnum-length action even though it has a short head height. 0000010032 00000 n Despite their Thors Hammer performance, .338 magnums are not as popular as their .30 caliber cousins for one big reason: recoil. 0000047724 00000 n Mag., while a charge of 107.9 grains of Viht N-165 is needed to drive the same bullet at 3300 f.p.s. Across the four bullet weights for each cartridge, the retained energy at MPBR averages are 2557 ft. lbs. 0000011812 00000 n These .338 "super magnum" cartridges achieve marginally better ballistic performance than the .338 Winchester Magnum, but with a lot more sound, fury, reduced availability and greatly increased monetary cost. However, like the .300 Win. 0000003730 00000 n 0000049107 00000 n A 24-1/2 inch barrel was used for the .338 Lapua and a 28 inch barrel (!) 0000086034 00000 n Compared: .338 Winchester Magnum, .338-06 A-Square and .338 Ruger Compact Magnum, 8.8% increase in powder to get 2.8% increase in MV in the .330 Dakota, 21.5% increase in powder to get 6.5% increase in MV in the .340 Weatherby, 27.3% increase in powder to get 6.5% increase in MV in the .338 RUM, 35.0% increase in powder to get 7.4% increase in MV in the .338 Lapua, 51.6% increase in powder to get 10.9% increase in MV in the .338-378 Weatherby, 14.1% more efficient than the .340 Weatherby, 37.4% more efficient than the .338-378 Weatherby. .330 Dakota Ballistics Ballistics and Drop for the .330 Dakota Cartridge Type: Rifle Height: 2.74" Width: 0.545" Average FPS: 2925 Average Energy: 4369 Average Gr: 230 Recoil: 3.11 Power Rank: 6.73 of 20 The .330 Dakota is in the proprietary cartridge class and was designed by Don Allen. The 250 grain bullet has a rather optimistic advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 2900 fps and muzzle energy (ME) of 4668 ft. lbs. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Dakota off ers factory loads with 150 and 180 grain bullets, attaining muzzle velocities of 3300 fps and 3100 fps, respectively. Hornady .300 PRC (left) and 30 Nosler. Radial vs. Directional Muzzle Brakes: Which Is Best? Great article. Question: I'm curious why you chose to use different weight bullets for each cartridge? In 2014 Nosler introduced the flat-shooting .26 Nosler, following it up in 2015 with the .28 Nosler (7mm) that was based on the .26 case but necked accordingly. Apr 27, 2017 . 0000042164 00000 n $60.99. 0000001656 00000 n S Subzero Well-Known Member Joined Oct 9, 2019 Messages 85 Location AZ Apr 1, 2020 #16 bigngreen said: Long Belted wildcat cartridges and the .338 Winchester and .340 Weatherby cartridges cannot be ignored. Mag. I have used a 250 grain Nosler Partiton load that chronographs 2870 fps in Africa to take several plains game. Both loads shoot sub-minute of angle. They are the LRX designed for the 338 Lapua, I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway, Smarter Then The Tools Youre Working With. ), .330 Dakota and others. 0000004092 00000 n Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. trailer <]/Prev 287670>> startxref 0 %%EOF 136 0 obj <>stream The .33 Nosler embodies current case design concepts thought to promote efficiency and accuracy. ELR guys like to shoot, so poor barrel life is a significant problem. If there is any possibility a hunter might make a shot at less than 100 yards, a tough, controlled expansion bullet is required to avoid the bullet disintegrating when it hits a large animal at close range. One point for every 10 yards MPBR beyond 200 yards and one point deducted for every 10 yards less. Forty eight foot pounds of recoil exceeds the kick of a 12-gauge, three inch magnum shotgun (about 45 ft. Like the .338 Lapua, it is a great candidate for the 300-grain long-range bullets now on the market. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. The trajectory of the 250 grain A-Frame bullet at a MV of 2900 fps should look like this: +2.6" at 100 yards, +2.9" at 150 yards, +2.0" at 200 yards, -0.4" at 250 yards, and -4.3" at 300 yards. I don't think I have ever seen a .338 without a muzzle brake. Firing a 210 gr. The heaviest bullet available would give each cartridge its best chance since such bullets offer the highest BC's and SD's and would thus make the comparison as fair as possible. Although it became popular for woods and timber hunting, it was not a long-range powerhouse for large game, as it shared a trajectory similar to the .30-30 Winchester. Keith wanted something which would hammer through a quartering-away elk (his favorite game) out to 300 or 400 yards and realized a .338 caliber bullet driven fast enough would get the job done. 330 DAKOTA We used Dakota 330 brass and the Federal 215 primers throughout all our tests. 0000005132 00000 n (These figures, and all that follow, are NOT corrected to account for the different barrel lengths. 0000002170 00000 n Joined Jan 17, 2021 Messages 1,667 Location North Carolina. 0000051612 00000 n In Stock Item #: HRN86289 $3.05 per piece. 0000045215 00000 n Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. Hornady reports good results with RL-19 powder behind their 225 grain bullet and RL-22 powder with their 250 grain bullets. It too needs a magnum length action and few companies other than Weatherby chamber rifles for this powerhouse. 0000009956 00000 n Mag) hits the expansion limit at almost 600 yards! Custom Mossberg 500 at the Range and Live Turkey!? To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. These cartridges are also best when paired with the heaviest bullet weights. Mag. Mag. . 0000017111 00000 n was taken in a 24 inch barrel, while the .330 Dakota data are for a 25 inch barrel, with 26 inch barrels used for the .340 Weatherby and .338 RUM. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. 0000041868 00000 n Throughout shooting sessions, the trigger broke cleanly at 2 34 pounds. This four-shot group was fired at 100 yards, with the upper bullet being pulled by the shooter. 0000041799 00000 n I used that bullet in a 338/375 Ruger which is nearly identical to a 330 Dakota ballistically. Although I love it, in pure technical terms Im forced to admit the .300 Win. 0000079441 00000 n and large game (1500 ft-lbs), and the minimum velocity most hunting bullets require for reliable expansion (1800 fps). .330 Dakota (Using 180 GR Nosler Bullets) 12. The Sixth Edition of the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading shows .330 Dakota loads for their 225 grain bullets at MV's from 2400 fps to 2900 fps with a half-dozen powders. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. gets 40.4 f.p.s. 0000003955 00000 n Mar 13, 2021 #2 Here's a link to the Nosler data page: Nosler Load Data Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition . AccuBond (.575 BC/.313 SD) at 2850 fps. 0000002395 00000 n A Nosler Model 48 Patriot with a Leupold VX-6 2-12x 42mm scope was used to test the new .33 Nosler cartridge. The newest .338 magnum, the 33 Nosler arrived on the market in 2016. 0000081470 00000 n and that is a place I do not wish to visit often. Across the bullet weights used, here are the average recoil values for each cartridge in 9.5 pound rifles: Then, there is the monetary cost of buying and shooting any of these rifles. Its twin bias erector system is constructed of shock resistant beryllium copper. The 33 Nosler is capable of propelling a 225gr AccuBond at 3025 fps and the brand new 265gr AccuBond Long Range at 2775 fps. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. of energy, the 30 Nosler outperforms such touted rounds as the 300 Weatherby and the 300 Win Mag. Red Oak, White, or Chestnut for Deer Herd? It features a 30mm main tube and 6x optical zoom. Mag. If, however, true long-range hunting is anticipated, they will all benefit from the specialized long-range bullets now on the market which expand well below 1800 fps. Long Range Hunting & Shooting 330 dakota 22250imp Aug 22, 2019 Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum Become a supporting member 2 22250imp Well-Known Member Joined Sep 26, 2012 Messages 194 Location Eastern Colorado Aug 22, 2019 #1 Picked up a newbie here a while back chambered in 330 Dakota. The 330 Dakota is one of four proprietary Dakota Arms cartridges based on a shortened and improved 404 Jeff rey cartridge. for the .338-378 Weatherby. MPBR for a 10 inch kill box illustrates the concept. 6.5mm Remington Magnum, .475 Nitro Express Number 2, .45 Smith & Wesson Schofield, .375 Weatherby Magnum, 7mm Dakota, .500 Smith & Wesson Special Magnum, .375 Holland & Holland Magnum, .340 Weatherby Magnum, .30-378 Weatherby, .350 Remington Magnum, .500 Jeffery, .257 Weatherby Magnum, .327 Federal Magnum, .460 Smith & Wesson, .330 Dakota.
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